Marcus
Your project almost starts to resemble a restoration project.
Ab Hoving
Your project almost starts to resemble a restoration project.
Ab Hoving
Zeehaen - 1:37.5 - From Dutch Explorer Abel J. Tasman
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Measured many times the heights of the different decks.
Meaning of the colorful push pins:
Yellow and red is for the waterline.
Green and blue is for the lower deck
which will not be visible.
White and clear is for the main deck, and decks I don't know the names for.
This is the lower deck that will be completely hidden. I have put it in anyway because I will use it as a guide for the beams for the main deck and other small deck.
What is the deck called under the poop deck (where does that name originate from?).
Does the forecastle deck have a focsle on top of it?
Please feel free to set me straight or steer me to a location where all decks are defined on any ship. I have books that have some explanation of decks but they are not complete.
Thanks
Marcus
Meaning of the colorful push pins:
Yellow and red is for the waterline.
Green and blue is for the lower deck
which will not be visible.
White and clear is for the main deck, and decks I don't know the names for.
This is the lower deck that will be completely hidden. I have put it in anyway because I will use it as a guide for the beams for the main deck and other small deck.
What is the deck called under the poop deck (where does that name originate from?).
Does the forecastle deck have a focsle on top of it?
Please feel free to set me straight or steer me to a location where all decks are defined on any ship. I have books that have some explanation of decks but they are not complete.
Thanks
Marcus
The interior and the decks and their naming are dependent of the sort of fluit. As you know the type was extremely versatile and the internal devision varies just as much. In the case of the Zeehaen, a VOC fluit, it is very much like the usual devision.
A - Hold
B - Cable tier
C - Hell (small compartment used as detention space)
D - Cheese and bread room
E - Powder room
F - Lower deck (in Dutch: overloop. comp.: orlop)
G - Gun room (In Dutch: konstabelskamer)
H - Upper deck (in Dutch: verdek)
I - Forecastle (in Dutch: bak) covered by the 'bakdek'.
J - Steering stand (in Dutch: schans or stuurplecht) covered by the 'halfdek'
K - Captain's cabin (in Dutch: kajuit)
L - Upper cabin (in Dutch: hut) covered by the 'campagnedek'.
For the simple mostly smaller cargo variant the lower deck was called 'koebrug'. It was only used for storage of goods which have to be kept dry and was not accessible for the crew. The crew's quarters are behind the koebrug and behind that is the cabin, which was used by the whole crew. The skipper used the upper cabin above. On such ships discipline was much different from men-of-war or East-India-men. The crew was small (about 12 men), of which most of them were very familiar, originating from the same village or region. Food was better too and not rationed.
I hope this explains it a bit.
Ab
Edited February 7 by Ab Hoving
(I love this name "koebrug"). Does it look like a bridge for cows? Or is it a bridge used for cows and now they are putting it in the Fluit?
A - Hold
B - Cable tier
C - Hell (small compartment used as detention space)
D - Cheese and bread room
E - Powder room
F - Lower deck (in Dutch: overloop. comp.: orlop)
G - Gun room (In Dutch: konstabelskamer)
H - Upper deck (in Dutch: verdek)
I - Forecastle (in Dutch: bak) covered by the 'bakdek'.
J - Steering stand (in Dutch: schans or stuurplecht) covered by the 'halfdek'
K - Captain's cabin (in Dutch: kajuit)
L - Upper cabin (in Dutch: hut) covered by the 'campagnedek'.
For the simple mostly smaller cargo variant the lower deck was called 'koebrug'. It was only used for storage of goods which have to be kept dry and was not accessible for the crew. The crew's quarters are behind the koebrug and behind that is the cabin, which was used by the whole crew. The skipper used the upper cabin above. On such ships discipline was much different from men-of-war or East-India-men. The crew was small (about 12 men), of which most of them were very familiar, originating from the same village or region. Food was better too and not rationed.
I hope this explains it a bit.
Ab
Edited February 7 by Ab Hoving
(I love this name "koebrug"). Does it look like a bridge for cows? Or is it a bridge used for cows and now they are putting it in the Fluit?
Stephan Kertész
Forum veteraan
Doet me een beetje denken aan Joep van het Hek, Ikea stapelbed. "In de beschrijving staat dat je geen hamer of beitel nodig hebt, maar na een tijdje kijk je niet meer zo nauwkeurig." 
Have been doing some ship building but the last 3 weeks it has been mostly outside. Getting the edible garden ready for spring planting and pruned all the fruit.
So I cut away excess wood from the railings.
Still need to remove the wood to where the tiller goes into the ship. It is curved.
Dry placed the decks on stainless steel rods.
Through carefully sanding the inside of the hull the bulkheads have been thinned in thickness.
My present dilemma is with what do I need to dress up the inside of the ship?
Veneer wal with 0.5mm planking.
Veneer wall with spaced dowels.
Layer of veneer with 0.5mm thick planking on top of that and spaced dowels on top of the planking. The last option seems like the best option.
Marcus
So I cut away excess wood from the railings.
Still need to remove the wood to where the tiller goes into the ship. It is curved.
Dry placed the decks on stainless steel rods.
Through carefully sanding the inside of the hull the bulkheads have been thinned in thickness.
My present dilemma is with what do I need to dress up the inside of the ship?
Veneer wal with 0.5mm planking.
Veneer wall with spaced dowels.
Layer of veneer with 0.5mm thick planking on top of that and spaced dowels on top of the planking. The last option seems like the best option.
Marcus
De VOC-site schrijft dat koebrug van cooy-brug komt:
oorspronkelijk: cooy-brug; een over een deel van het vrachtruim aangebracht laag dek met 4 tot 5 voet tussenruimte ten opzichte van het overloopdek, op de uitreis veelal gebruikt als verblijf voor meevarende soldaten en compagnie-personeel, op de thuisreis ook gebruikt voor stouwen van specerijen.
Het heeft dus niks met koeien te maken...
oorspronkelijk: cooy-brug; een over een deel van het vrachtruim aangebracht laag dek met 4 tot 5 voet tussenruimte ten opzichte van het overloopdek, op de uitreis veelal gebruikt als verblijf voor meevarende soldaten en compagnie-personeel, op de thuisreis ook gebruikt voor stouwen van specerijen.
Het heeft dus niks met koeien te maken...
Created little deckbeam holders and glued the with a combo of glue and sawdust to the inside of the hull.
The beams are dry fitted in the slots.
You won't see any of this when the main deck is in.
Once this is completed I will start on dressing up the inside of the hull. It is the area that is exposed.
Marcus
The beams are dry fitted in the slots.
You won't see any of this when the main deck is in.
Once this is completed I will start on dressing up the inside of the hull. It is the area that is exposed.
Marcus
You are really capable of creating a tremendous mess, Marcus.
Can't wait to see the rest....
Ab
Can't wait to see the rest....
Ab
Hans Groenenberg
Forum veteraan
Ik ga dit is ff volgen ......
Everything up to this point has been copied from modelshipworld to here.
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Shipbuilding activities are slowing down. Spring, summer and fall I spend most of my time in the garden (about 3/5 of a hectare) . I have a large area where I grow fruits and vegetables and the rest of the garden gets daily care. I also grow all my new plants from seed which start in the greenhouse and end up in the garden somewhere.
I also cut all of my planking outside in the summer. Keeps the dust outside.
Marcus
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Shipbuilding activities are slowing down. Spring, summer and fall I spend most of my time in the garden (about 3/5 of a hectare) . I have a large area where I grow fruits and vegetables and the rest of the garden gets daily care. I also grow all my new plants from seed which start in the greenhouse and end up in the garden somewhere.
I also cut all of my planking outside in the summer. Keeps the dust outside.
Marcus
Hans Groenenberg
Forum veteraan
Het is niet niets wat je hier laat zien Marcus.
Maar wat er nu toch van je bord tussen je spanten is gevallen is me een raadsel.
Maar wat er nu toch van je bord tussen je spanten is gevallen is me een raadsel.
That 'mess' as you all call that is a combination of white glue and sawdust. Once dry, it is stronger than just glue. I use it to glue parts together especially where I need strength and I use it as filler as well. Once the final product is finished you would not even know it was there.
I am not a "traditional" builder. I use whatever method works. I don't make everything exact. Question to think about.
Do you think that in the 17th century the ships were of exact measurement?
Sure, rules are followed to create a seaworthy ship. But some areas were a bit off. They didn't have the machinery to cut exact planking, etc.
Marcus
I am not a "traditional" builder. I use whatever method works. I don't make everything exact. Question to think about.
Do you think that in the 17th century the ships were of exact measurement?
Sure, rules are followed to create a seaworthy ship. But some areas were a bit off. They didn't have the machinery to cut exact planking, etc.
Marcus
Hans Groenenberg
Forum veteraan
Het was maar een grapje hoor Marcus. Op de foto is het niet om aan te gluren en komt het vies over
Daartegen is het natuurlijk een bouwwijze die ik voor het eerst zie en niet gewend ben. Maar dat maakt mijn interesse dit te volgen er niet minder door.
Daartegen is het natuurlijk een bouwwijze die ik voor het eerst zie en niet gewend ben. Maar dat maakt mijn interesse dit te volgen er niet minder door.
Het was maar een grapje hoor Marcus. Op de foto is het niet om aan te gluren en komt het vies over
Daartegen is het natuurlijk een bouwwijze die ik voor het eerst zie en niet gewend ben. Maar dat maakt mijn interesse dit te volgen er niet minder door.
Ik weet dat het een grapje was, maar ik vond dat er een uitleg moest zijn. Bedankt voor het volgen van de built.
Marcus
Pingu57
Forum veteraan
Marcus, ik vind jouw manier van bouwen heel bijzonder. ik heb het grootste deel van je Amerikaanse forum nu ook gelezen, en ik vind ik het prachtig wat je aan het doen bent, Ik heb deze manier van bouwen nog nooit gezien, maar vind het wel heel bijzonder dat je met deze manier van bouwen de vorm van een schip krijgt.
Ik heb zo het idee, dat het eindresultaat van dit schip wel eens heel fraai kan worden. veel succes verder, ik blijf je volgen.
Ik heb zo het idee, dat het eindresultaat van dit schip wel eens heel fraai kan worden.
veel succes verder, ik blijf je volgen.
Stephan Kertész
Forum veteraan
Heeft wel iets van wat hier beschreven is http://www.sailmodel.ho.ua/present/pres_e.htm
Pingu57
Bedankt voor het compliment.
Stephan,
Ik denk hetzelfde als die uit Ukraine.
Marcus
Bedankt voor het compliment.
Stephan,
Ik denk hetzelfde als die uit Ukraine.
Marcus