Stephan Kertész
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Ja, deze methode zie ik steeds vaker, ook op Facebook.
Zeehaen - 1:37.5 - From Dutch Explorer Abel J. Tasman
- Topicstarter Marcus Botanicus
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Ja, deze methode zie ik steeds vaker, ook op Facebook.
Ik gebruik de methode die mij het beste uitkomt voor het schip wat ik op momenteel maak.
Marcus
First I dry fitted the taffrail to the batten that is screwed to the post.
Glued the taffrail in place.
After glue is dry remove the batten holding the taffrail and the excess of the planks sticking out backwards.
Sanded the ship some more a d drilled 2 holes in the keel for the stand.
Marcus
Marcus
Glued the taffrail in place.
After glue is dry remove the batten holding the taffrail and the excess of the planks sticking out backwards.
Sanded the ship some more a d drilled 2 holes in the keel for the stand.
Marcus
Marcus
Taffrail onstled and excess planking removed.
Taffrail from the inside.
Rudder dry fitted with tape.
Dry fit rudder and tiller.
Marcus
Taffrail from the inside.
Rudder dry fitted with tape.
Dry fit rudder and tiller.
Marcus
Ik geef niet zo gauw op. Het ligt er ook aan dat ik een fluit altijd al heb willen bouwen en ik krijg hier en daar ook advies van Ab Hoving op modelshipworld.
Marcus
Seems to me that the operation was a success. Maybe you should try to get the opening a bit rounder, so that it can be finished with carvings. Not really complicated.
Well done, Marcus.
Ab
Well done, Marcus.
Ab
Thanks for the help, Ab.
Will make the opening a bit rounder and have started on the carvings. It is the one exercise I am not very good at. So I make many of the same items and pick the best. I have 9 samples of the fish.
Marcus
Will make the opening a bit rounder and have started on the carvings. It is the one exercise I am not very good at. So I make many of the same items and pick the best. I have 9 samples of the fish.
Marcus
The following question has probably been asked numerous times.
If my ship is in X scale what is the max legth and width of my hull and deck planks?
I have looked in numerous books i possess, went to several ship model sites and read several articles. There is not a clear cut answer or math formula available.
In "Planking techniques for model ship builders" by "Donald Dressel" on pages 70 to 81 there is a discussion about some basic information.
Example.
On an 1/8th inch scale model planks should not exceed 3 inches.
On a 1/4 inch scale model the planks are 6 inches in length.
Also in general planks were between 4.6 mtr to 6.1 mtr (15' to 20') in real life.
So if my model is in a scale of 1 cm - 37.5 cm, what will the length of my planks be for the model?
Thank you in advance.
Marcus
If my ship is in X scale what is the max legth and width of my hull and deck planks?
I have looked in numerous books i possess, went to several ship model sites and read several articles. There is not a clear cut answer or math formula available.
In "Planking techniques for model ship builders" by "Donald Dressel" on pages 70 to 81 there is a discussion about some basic information.
Example.
On an 1/8th inch scale model planks should not exceed 3 inches.
On a 1/4 inch scale model the planks are 6 inches in length.
Also in general planks were between 4.6 mtr to 6.1 mtr (15' to 20') in real life.
So if my model is in a scale of 1 cm - 37.5 cm, what will the length of my planks be for the model?
Thank you in advance.
Marcus
Ab Hoving wrote.
Excellent question Marcus,
In Witsen's book there is list of parts needed to build a 120 feet long fluit. He specifies the planking needed as 4 1/2 for every strake for this length. That means that every plank is about 27 feet, which is roughly 7,50 m. I don't see any reason why that should be different for deck planks. Don't forget that the butts of the planks overlap each other for the width of three frames, which is more than a meter.
Here is a picture of the butts. It is from a 90 feet long wreck (E81) from 1660.
Ab
Excellent question Marcus,
In Witsen's book there is list of parts needed to build a 120 feet long fluit. He specifies the planking needed as 4 1/2 for every strake for this length. That means that every plank is about 27 feet, which is roughly 7,50 m. I don't see any reason why that should be different for deck planks. Don't forget that the butts of the planks overlap each other for the width of three frames, which is more than a meter.
Here is a picture of the butts. It is from a 90 feet long wreck (E81) from 1660.
Ab
Ab,
I will look in Witsen's book and thank you for the suggested numbers.
I am a bit embarrassed by the next question (and I should not be),
What is the length of my planks in centimeters or inches for my model if the scale is 1:37.5?
Do I divide 37.5 into something?
Thanks
Marcus
I will look in Witsen's book and thank you for the suggested numbers.
I am a bit embarrassed by the next question (and I should not be),
What is the length of my planks in centimeters or inches for my model if the scale is 1:37.5?
Do I divide 37.5 into something?
Thanks
Marcus
Ab Hoving wrote.
If your planks are going to be 7,5 meters in a scale of 1/37,5 you have to divide 750 cm by 37,5, which is 20 cm. The butts should be a littler bit over 2,5 cm long.
It's elementary, my dear Watson...
By the way, the list of ship's parts I was referring to is only in the Dutch version of my book (page 296), not in the English one.
Edited 11 hours ago by Ab Hoving
If your planks are going to be 7,5 meters in a scale of 1/37,5 you have to divide 750 cm by 37,5, which is 20 cm. The butts should be a littler bit over 2,5 cm long.
It's elementary, my dear Watson...
By the way, the list of ship's parts I was referring to is only in the Dutch version of my book (page 296), not in the English one.
Edited 11 hours ago by Ab Hoving
Ab,
Been reading about Dutch measurements on Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_units_of_measurement#Voet
and have two questions.
You said and I quote "He specifies the planking needed as 4 1/2 for every strake for this length. That means that every plank is about 27 feet, which is roughly 7,50 m."
1. 4 1/2 what?
2. What formula did you use to get 7,50 meter from 27 feet?
Thank you
Marcus
Been reading about Dutch measurements on Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_units_of_measurement#Voet
and have two questions.
You said and I quote "He specifies the planking needed as 4 1/2 for every strake for this length. That means that every plank is about 27 feet, which is roughly 7,50 m."
1. 4 1/2 what?
2. What formula did you use to get 7,50 meter from 27 feet?
Thank you
Marcus
Marcus,
Not really complicated. The ship is 120 feet. Over that distance 4 1/2 planks are needed to go from fore to aft (of course you get away with shorter planks because you don't have to cover the entire 120 feet, but that is all marginal). So 120 divided bij 4 1/2 is 26, 6 feet, which equals 7,75 meters. Of course these are not specific measurements, just estimations with a wide margin.
Clear?
Ab
Not really complicated. The ship is 120 feet. Over that distance 4 1/2 planks are needed to go from fore to aft (of course you get away with shorter planks because you don't have to cover the entire 120 feet, but that is all marginal). So 120 divided bij 4 1/2 is 26, 6 feet, which equals 7,75 meters. Of course these are not specific measurements, just estimations with a wide margin.
Clear?
Ab
Observation.
My Zeehaen needs 4 - 20 cm planks to cover one strake from stem to stern.
If you plank with straight butts, top ruler, then 4 planks of 20cm long would cover 1 strake.
If you plank with with Dutch version of butts, bottom ruler, then 4 planks will not cover 1 strake. You need more.
That would be 4 - 1/2 planks.
If a plank is 20 cm long and your Dutch butts are 2.5 cm each end, the full width of the plank is less then 20 cm long
Now if the plank is 20 cm long and the 2 butts are 2.5 cm long then 2 x 2.5 + 20 = 25 cm long plank. This is wrong.
Below I made various templates to form the butts. Top right a rectangular piece of brass of 2.5 cm long and two 90 degree edges on each end. Will need to sharpen one long edge so it is easier to cut the wood.
Top left razor blade cut from 4 cm to 2.5 cm. On the hull I would overlap 2 pieces and make the cut so the butts would fit well. Bottom ruler just shows how the butts fit.
Non of my models have all the same looking butts. I tried several kinds. On the fluit I will do all Dutch versions of butts
Is there another word for the butts?
Marcus
My Zeehaen needs 4 - 20 cm planks to cover one strake from stem to stern.
If you plank with straight butts, top ruler, then 4 planks of 20cm long would cover 1 strake.
If you plank with with Dutch version of butts, bottom ruler, then 4 planks will not cover 1 strake. You need more.
That would be 4 - 1/2 planks.
If a plank is 20 cm long and your Dutch butts are 2.5 cm each end, the full width of the plank is less then 20 cm long
Now if the plank is 20 cm long and the 2 butts are 2.5 cm long then 2 x 2.5 + 20 = 25 cm long plank. This is wrong.
Below I made various templates to form the butts. Top right a rectangular piece of brass of 2.5 cm long and two 90 degree edges on each end. Will need to sharpen one long edge so it is easier to cut the wood.
Top left razor blade cut from 4 cm to 2.5 cm. On the hull I would overlap 2 pieces and make the cut so the butts would fit well. Bottom ruler just shows how the butts fit.
Non of my models have all the same looking butts. I tried several kinds. On the fluit I will do all Dutch versions of butts
Is there another word for the butts?
Marcus
Stephan Kertész
Forum veteraan
Om van boeg tot spiegel te komen heb je dus 4 x 20 cm nodig of 80 cm totaal bij rechte verbindingen. Als je de "butts" 2,5 cm maakt betekend dit dat de planken elkaar overlappen met 2,5 cm. 4 overlappingen zijn 10 cm verlies. Dus 4,5 planken van 20 cm. Dat klopt dan tot dusver.
Je kan van een plaatje aluminium een mal maken welke je op je plank legt om zo de plank af te tekenen. Door de mal om te draaien kan je 2 planken exact passend op elkaar krijgen.
Ander woord voor butts?
daar waag ik mij niet aan. 
Je kan van een plaatje aluminium een mal maken welke je op je plank legt om zo de plank af te tekenen. Door de mal om te draaien kan je 2 planken exact passend op elkaar krijgen.
Ander woord voor butts?
daar waag ik mij niet aan. 
